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    • #1782
      kramer
      Member

      http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ap/20031221/ap_on_re_af/libya_weapons&cid=515&ncid=716

      U.S.: Libya Eager to Dismantle Weapons
      16 minutes ago

      By JOHN J. LUMPKIN, Associated Press Writer

      WASHINGTON – Libyan leader Moammar Gadhafi, meeting in the dead of night in his capital with officers from the Central Intelligence Agency (news – web sites) and British intelligence, appeared eager to do away with his weapons programs, U.S. officials said Saturday.

      Those secret meetings over recent months led to Friday’s surprise announcement that Libya would cease work on its programs to develop nuclear, chemical and biological weapons, including an effort to refine uranium for use in nuclear devices, the officials said.

      The United States and Britain portrayed the announcement as a significant breakthrough in their efforts to curtail the spread of such weapons and keep them from a terrorist organization or hostile country.

      It is clear, however, that Gadhafi has tried in recent years to ease tensions with the West, and this step was expected to further improve Libya’s international standing.

      Gadhafi initiated the talks and the subsequent onsite inspections in March after he agreed to settle the 1988 bombing of a Pan Am jetliner over Lockerbie, Scotland, with cash payments and an admission of complicity. His overture for talks came days before the United States and Britain invaded Iraq (news – web sites).

      President Bush (news – web sites) said the ouster and capture of Saddam Hussein (news – web sites) and U.S. efforts to check weapons pursuits by North Korea (news – web sites) and Iran played a role in Gadhafi’s decision. Gadhafi’s son said Saturday his father went ahead after receiving assurances that the United States was not plotting against him. Libya also claimed it had acted on its own to serve as an inspiration for the rest of the world.

      Senior intelligence officials, including one on the inspection team that went to Libya, briefed reporters Saturday on the chain of events that led to the announcement. They spoke on condition they not be identified.

      Most significant among the discoveries was that Libya had built a working centrifuge for uranium enrichment. To make weapons-grade uranium, a raw form of the substance can be passed through a series of centrifuges that slowly create a product capable of nuclear fission.

      Such programs need hundreds of centrifuges, called a cascade, to make significant quantities of uranium over a reasonable time. The inspection teams saw only one or a few centrifuges, and the Libyans denied that any enriched uranium had been produced.

      The intelligence officials refused to say how Libya obtained centrifuge technology. Both Iran and North Korea are thought to have the technology, as are a number of companies and U.S. allies.

      Before their meetings with Gadhafi, the American and British intelligence officers were whisked around Tripoli, the capital, by Libyan security officials, sometimes changing cars before arriving at the sites of meetings with Gadhafi.

      Gadhafi was described as agreeable, laying out proposals for disarming and allowing inspections. He provided information about Libyan weapons programs that Western intelligence agencies had been unaware of.

      The Libyans had chemical weapons and medium-range missiles from North Korea and, at a minimum, a program to make uranium for nuclear weapons. U.S. intelligence agencies lack information that Libya had enriched the uranium to make a nuclear weapon or possessed biological weapons. For all the Libyan cooperation, officials acknowledged there still could be undisclosed weapons and programs.

      So far, the United States has learned that Libya had:

      _Tens of tons of mustard agent, a World War I-era chemical weapon, produced about 10 years ago.

      _Aircraft bombs capable of dispersing the mustard agent in combat.

      _A supply of Scud-C ballistic missiles made in North Korea. The weapons can hit targets 500 miles away.

      Much of this information reinforced the CIA (news – web sites)’s assumptions, intelligence officials said, although some expressed surprise at how far the Libyans’ nuclear program had advanced.

      Early in the year, before contacts began, Libyan officials approached the British government to open discussions. Washington was later included in negotiations that took place at an undisclosed location in Europe.

      After some initial visits to Tripoli, a team of CIA and British intelligence personnel went to Libya in October to inspect weapons sites. The team included technical experts on weapons programs.

      At some point, the CIA presented the Libyans with its intelligence about the programs. The Libyans were surprised at how much the agency knew, the officials said, then provided much more information.

      The second inspection visit, in December, was more fruitful, the officials said.

      During the visits, the team went to 10 sites related to Libya’s nuclear effort, chemical stockpile and missile program.

      The U.S. intelligence officials also acknowledged that authorities had stopped a shipment intended to supply Libya’s weapons program. They would provide no details.

      It is unclear if the intelligence team will return, the officials said. Libya has agreed to allow U.N. inspectors access to its programs.

      Gadhafi also agreed to get rid of missiles with ranges longer than 186 miles, which would include the North Korean Scud-Cs but not Scud-Bs, which have the 186-mile range.

      The officials said Libya was developing the weapons for its defense, but they refused to discuss whether Libya had provided weapons or expertise to other countries.

      Bush said that if Libya shows it is serious in honoring its commitment, there was the possibility of U.S. help in making Libya “a more free and prosperous country.”

      The United States has a 17-year embargo in place against Libya and continues to list Libya among nations that sponsor terrorism. Britain’s foreign secretary indicated that Washington may lift the embargo.

    • #4720
      ROB
      Keymaster

      I like to think that the Colonel will see the advantages of being a fully fledged member of the internatiopnal community and decide that the benefits of trade etc far outweigh the benefits of wmds. But then again he aint got a proud history…

    • #4721
      Jefe
      Participant

      The COL’s (and i do not speak of COL KKW) near miss in the 80’s and death of his family members at the hands of American jets just about broke the sniveling fool.

      He is begging to break out of isolation/fear now.

      By hte way, did you guys know that Bush admitted yesterday that he had pronounced “Iraq” incorrectly all along?

      The correct pronunciation is actually “Syria!”

    • #4722
      spamhog
      Member

      Dont trust the Them no matter what. Lybia was responsible for a lot of terrorism in the 80’s not just the Lockerbie bombing. Khadaffy financed a LOT of terrorist training in his country any and all cuases, and these lunatics spread out all over the globe causing death , injury and suffering to thousands of innocent people.

      Supposedly Khadaffy is interested in being a good little boy and throwing a lot of money around to compensate for his former distardly deeds.

      My position is that He is truly repentant and wants to make amends that he offer up anyone and everyone involved in terrorist acts(to include his immediate staff ) to those countries in which the actions were committed for the respective criminal justice system, this includes cooperating with investigators and representatives of the US, Europe, Isreal, Asia etc. Then We’ll think about it.

      Spamhog

    • #4723
      Jefe
      Participant

      First off, don’t trust arabs. They don’t have one nation that is trustworthy or a true ally of ours.

      Second, spamhog is right.

      Third, maybe Jimmy Carter’s brother can go there an negotiate again…

    • #4724
      Kurt
      Participant

      But his beer still lives. (I still have a full can of it)

      Like I said in a misspost from this topic, I think Kaddafy has given up on being a pain in the ass to the west, but not because he is suddenly Mr. Nice Guy, but because he is looking to Africa now and does not want to be bothered while doing it.

      He did influence such humanitarians as Foday Sankoh of the RUF. Without Mr. Sankoh, the poor children of Seirra Leone would not have had the wonderful crash course into the adult world with all those extra limbs that children in the West are so burdened by.

      He truely is the Fred Rogers of Africa.

    • #4725
      Jefe
      Participant

      By the way, I have a bunch of Romanians in my sector.

      I go thru their checkpoints alot and the password is “Pulinka!”

      They always get a laugh out of it and they are good guys to have around.

      Their equipment sucks, but they are hard dudes!

      Got an email from our friend on New Years. He looked well…..like he was on Pulinka!

    • #4726
      Kurt
      Participant

      I could really use some of that stuff now. Its freezing here.

      Romania had some of the best people I have ever met while traveling. You should head there for R&R sometime.

      When do you leave for Columbia?

    • #4727
      Anonymous
      Member

      And while I am going south again, I think my next R&R will be to eastern europe.

      Anyone been to Hungary or other countries that will be good to go to?

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